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America's future is dim if we make nothing and import and outsource everything
Educational Editorials© by William M Wright BBA, MBA writtten: 10-07-2006 / updates 12-01-2008 & 03-22-2009
Let’s not blame foreign workers for wanting a job and better life just like Americans. Instead, we should be angry at those who seek a fast fat profit, at the expense of both foreign and American workers.
American's should be outraged by our own governments encouragement of outsourcing and simultaneously allowing the mass importing of Foreign Workers to replace American born IT / Programming Professionals. Corporations are no longer interested in hiring American born college degree labor to do the IT jobs. In fact they have openly lied for years about a skilled labor shortage that never exsisted. They will always take the easy and cheap path. And the major India IT firms and their lobbist have sold American CEO's that they need to outsource all their IT labor needs to them to maximize corporate profits. You want proof? We got it-lots of it.
 

The Urban Institute reports between 1985 and 2000, the US workforce produced 3 times the number of American tech and science grads than jobs they were trained to do.

According to the study, Americans and green card holders received 435,000 Bachelors, Masters, and PhD.'s in science, engineering and computer science yearly from 1985 to 2000. However, the economy could only produce 150,000 jobs annually for these graduates during the same period. That's a deficit of 280,000 jobs annually. High-tech employers couldn't produce enough jobs for 4.2 million STEM graduates, with two-thirds of these graduates never able to practice their craft. Separate studies by Harvard University, Duke University, the Rand Corp, and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation also report an oversupply of STEM graduates.

The H1-B visa-hiring program allows American high-tech firms to bypass these graduates and hire foreign workers. The second video was of an annual seminar sponsored by lawyers to advise employers how to discriminate with out getting caught. The program was designed to allow American firms who could not fill jobs because no American was available to hire foreign workers. But most of the H1-B visas are given to India outsourcing firms to import workers.

Years from now CFO's may wake up to find the numbers do not add up to the savings sales pitch. They may ask themselves the question, "If we have to pay the prevailing American wage plus a profit mark-up to the on site India IT workers -how is that cheaper than are former American born IT workers where we paid no profit mark-up?" Oh, I forgot. It gave them the opportunity to legally eliminate the older more experienced and higher paid workers. And it gives the India IT firm the opportunity to hire people just out of college and mark-them-up for a profit.
Dell learned the hard way when they outsourced tech support for American clients to India that American customers find it hard to understand India English. Dells stock has fallen from $40 to $10. But outsouring calls to India and programing work is only 1/2 the story. Importing is the other 1/2.
America has lost a generation of talented American born IT workers. And if you believe the paid lobbist who say American companies need more H-1B visas because we have a shortage of IT workers then our government and corporate policies created that shortage. And India's brightest and highest degreed PhD's wanting an H-1B visa get no better chance than an India IT person with no degree in the current lottery system. So, the most talented and highest degreed India Ph'Ds are also upset.
The importation business of getting workers from India American H1-B and L-1 visas is so profitable seminars are held annually in America to teach firms how to not hire American born IT workers. View this video for the shocking truth. This mass discrimination has reached epidemic levels inside our boarders within large American corporations. So massive is the discrimination trend that the largest IT employer service companies in America today are companies from India and you will find they only hire workers from India. Now ask yourself why enrollment is down by almost 2/3 for American born students enrolling in American IT degree programs. As one American born IT graduate of India descend put it, “I feel like I have to fake an India accent to get hired.”
 
According to the American Computing Research Association: The percentage of incoming undergraduates indicating that they would major in Computer Science declined by over 60 percent between the Fall of 2000 and 2004, and is now 70 percent lower than its peak in the early 1980s The number of students seeking US computer-science bachelor's degrees plummeted by 40 percent from 2001 to 2006 (a key reason was fear of job loss, due to outsourcing and worker importation).
Now our government wants to make it even easier by allowing Foreign Students to transition directly from student visa status to green card status. Already US Universities are turning down top American born students in favor of Foreign born students. According to the President of the American Semiconductor Industry Association (America's second leading exporter) 51% of master's and 71% of Ph.D. graduates in electrical and electronic engineering from U.S. Universities are foreign nationals. Wake-up America, look around you, how will America compete in the 21st century World Economy when even our Universities are reserved for foreign students? A Letter from the American Programmers Guild -2007
 
 
American and Foreign Profiteer's are taking advantage
of foreign labor
But lets now take a look at how American and Foreign Profiteer's are taking advantage of foreign labor too.
If you thought profiteering from transporting illegal Mexican workers into the USA was bad wait till you learn how a local American Sheriff’s deputy profited legally! After reading how he and his co-profiteers charged foreign workers $15,000-$20,000 each, ask yourself why is he still a local Sheriff ?

And if you thought the concept of indenture worker or company run worker camps was abolished in the 18th century, learn how employer Signal International required imported foreign workers to live 20 to a trailer and
pay $35 a day in the 21th century. But wait, there's more. Signal was the sub-contractor for Northrop Grumman, working on a American Taxpayer paid government project!
But this story is only the tip of a Titantic Iceberg, on the American jobs lost since the expansion of guest worker visas to H-1B (specialized skills such as Architects,Engineers,Software Engineers and IT Networking). This well intended program, opened the flood gates for Profiteers seeking a fast fat profit. American and foreign firms profit off importing younger less experianced cheap foreign labor into America. The Profiteers hold-out
 
the promise of a fast backdoor citizenship into America while earning higher wages relative to the workers home land (most often India). American IT workers often claim they are training less experianced foreign workers so compaines can then transfer the work offshore. Just one example, Patricia Fluno, also a technology professional, said she lost her job at a Siemens unit in Florida to a worker on an L-1 visa. Fluno said Siemens replaced her and other U.S. employees with lower-paid employees of India-based Tata Consultancy Services. Fluno also said she was directed to train her replacement. "This was the most humiliating experience of my life," she said. Ms. Fluno was giving testimony during a 2004 meeting with members of Congress on this topic.
In the mid-90's there was a tremendous demand for IT workers in America, created by gigantic spending on Enterprise Networking, Y2K and Internet projects. This promoted greater support for importing foreign workers under the H-B1 visa program. But buy 2001 the Y2K work ended and by 2002 the Enterprise Network and Internet boom had turned bust. There had been tens of thousands of lay-offs in American IT workers.
I recall a CBS story about an American software engineer of 25 years who needed to become a truck driver to support his family. And when the boom returned age discrimination and a flood of foreign H-B1 labor eliminated any chance of returning to his profession.
The number of students seeking US computer-science bachelor's degrees plummeted by 40 percent from 2001 to 2006 (a key reason was fear of job loss, in part to outsourcing). Meanwhile, companies that profit
from outsourcing and the importation of H-B1 foreign workers whine America needs more foreign IT labor to stay competitive while government bureaucrats say we need more education. America has the most highly educated under-employed and out-of-work skilled labor force in the world thanks to these policies.
The Wright Question©: Economic expansion and contraction along with individual sector booms
and bust is a fact of life. Why after over 40 years of downsizing, layoffs and outsourcing to foreign lands
has America made no lasting effort at retooling American workers for work in areas were employers have shortages? If we expect workers to learn new, in demand skills, should we not expect big government and business to create solutions that do not encourage the importing of foreign labor or exporting of American
jobs? If the H-1B program is not a sham then why do immigration lawyers hold annual seminars on how to not hire quailfied American's so they can earn more fees by importing foreign workers?

How can there be a shortage of IT and Software Engineers when hundreds of thousands lost their jobs back in 2000-2003 due to 9/11/2001, the elimination of Y2K and the internet bust? How can America have a shortage of welders and pipe fitters when thousands have been laid-off? Has American corporations and the government just become to lazy to recall or retool American workers into new positions or has the profit motive just become to great?

After you read this story ask yourself, “Why must America import workers for jobs paying double what America's largest employer Wal-Mart pays?
 
 

Now American Medical Professionals Are Worried The H-B1 Program Will Eliminate Qualified American Born Workers

written by Peter Standish-Holmes

In most fields, obtaining an H1B visa is a very difficult process and stringent conditions apply before an H1B petition is approved. In medicine it is just the opposite.

Administrators of hospital residency programs, in contravention of DOL rules and regulations, are routinely offering vacant positions to foreign medical graduates (FMGs) not living in the US without first attempting to fill such vacancies with qualified candidates residing within US borders.

Hospital residency positions, including internships, are filled through a centralized electronic application system. Anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access can use this system to apply for hospital residency positions. This allows applicants from abroad to apply at the same time as US citizens and permanent residents.
Since the number of applicants from abroad far outnumber US citizens and permanent residents applying for each vacancy, qualified US citizens and permanent residents are frequently never interviewed for some positions which ultimately are given to non-resident foreign applicants who are then supplied with H1B visas enabling them to work as physicians in the US.

Hospitals are therefore determining who receive visas. Screening of these H1B recipients is minimal at best as hospitals are virtually unfettered in sponsoring H1B visas for candidates they hire from abroad.

Hospitals receive federal, city and state funds from tax dollars, yet citizens and permanent residents residing in the US who contribute these tax dollars are being outnumbered and ignored.

There are currently thousands of unemployed, qualified graduates of foreign medical schools; both US citizens and permanent residents; residing in the US capable of filling these vacancies.

Only after all US citizens and permanent residents who apply are found not suitable, should programs be free to hire non-resident applicants. To interview and subsequently employ non-resident applicants without first interviewing US citizens and permanent resident applicants in order to ascertain their suitability, is utter disregard for US labor laws.

This practice is dangerous in that doctors provided with H1B visas in this manner are not screened as thoroughly as other prospective immigrants are. This practice must be stopped outright.

Please sign this petition and help safeguard the health and safety of our communities.
I ask your help to ensure that:
1.Current laws are respected and enforced.
2.Applicants are appropriately screened before being provided with H1B visas.
3.Regulations stipulating that vacant positions be offered to qualified US citizens and permanent residents before attempting to fill such vacancies with applicants from abroad are complied with.

There are already thousands of qualified, unemployed foreign medical graduates residing in the USA capable of filling these vacancies.


 

H-1B visa outsourcing abuse under investigation by US Senate

16 May 2007


Two U.S. senators on Monday asked nine foreign-based companies to explain how they are using their United States H-1B work permits that they have obtained for their employees. Recent information about misuse of the program has created a heated debate in the U.S. Congress as it moves into the final stages of presenting immigration reform measures this month.

Of greatest concern is that the limited number of visas are being used to outsource American jobs, instead of bringing in educated and skilled professionals to work for U.S. businesses.

 

This year the entire quota of regular United States H-1B visas evaporated in one day. Petitions for the 65,000 standard H-1B's exceeded the available quota by more than a 2:1 ratio. Last year the available cap had been reached in the record time of about seven weeks.


What Happened?

Previously, people could expect the H-1B petition process to remain open through the summer from the standard begin date of 01 April every year for the upcoming fiscal year.

An additional 20,000 H-1B's are available beyond the standard cap for foreign-born professionals who have graduated from an American university with an advanced degree. Some of these usually remain available at least through the end of the year. This year they were all gone in just over four weeks, with all submissions after 30 April being rejected.

U.S. scientific and technical industries, especially the IT sector, have been lobbying hard to have the quotas increased for several years now. Notably, highly visible CEO's like Bill Gates of Microsoft and Larry Ellison of Oracle have personally made appearances before the U.S. Congress, virtually demanding that the caps be raised.

These industry leaders have regularly argued that there were thousands of unfilled jobs in the United States that require people with education and skills from around the world to keep American businesses competitive and innovative. They claim that the quotas are too low and that tens of thousands of qualified people were being kept out of the United States, and that this was hurting American businesses.

Some countries have been lobbying the U.S government to raise the cap, too. In particular, the Indian government has been pressuring George Bush to introduce immigration reform measures that would favor Indian nationals attempting to work in the U.S.


Fallout

After the stunning demand for the H-1B visa this year, people began to investigate the problem. Congress and the White House are trying to craft major immigration reform this year, and an understanding of the situation is critical.

What has been noticed is that between 70% and 80% of the H-1B visas granted in 2006 went to India-based outsourcing firms. Employees of these firms were not being hired to work for U.S. businesses but, rather, to effectively study how U.S. businesses operate and to determine their needs and methods.

Then, using their newly forged contacts in U.S. industries, these firms then outsource the work back to India-based industries. Many of these people only use their coveted H-1B for two to four years, rather than the full six-year limit, causing resentment among people who would wish to have an H-1B as a means to leverage permanent immigration to the U.S.

While technically not illegal, this practice violates the intent of the H-1B program. The H1B visa program was launched in 1990 to allow foreign scientists, engineers and technologists to be employed for up to six years in the U.S., at the end of which they must obtain permanent residency or return home. It is also possible for the sponsoring company to petition for H-1B extensions which are exempt from the caps.

Senate Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, and Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican, said in letters to the companies that they had received reports of fraud and abuse of the H-1B visa program.

At the same time, they have introduced measures in the U.S. Senate targeted at the H-1B and the L-1 visas to ensure that the programs perform their intended function - to allow foreign born professionals to bring their skills into the U.S. when those skills cannot be found domestically.


Reaction

"More and more it appears that companies are using H-1B visas to displace qualified, American workers," Grassley said in a statement.

The senators said some visas were being used to train foreign workers in the United States to perform jobs that were later transferred to India and other countries. "The reality is that too many H-1B visas are being used to facilitate the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries," Durbin said.

Besides the India-based giants Infosys, Wipro and Tata Consultancy Services, the senators also sent letters to Patni Computer Systems, I-Flex Solutions Inc., Satyam Computers Services Ltd., Larsen & Toubro Infotech Ltd., Tech Mahindra Americas Inc. and Mphasis Corp.

They asked the companies for information on the number of visas they hold, wages, efforts to recruit qualified American workers, outsourcing of jobs to other countries and whether any U.S. workers have had their responsibilities outsourced.

In April, a number of measures were proposed for upcoming immigration reform efforts in the Congress. The U.S. is trying to provide a bill by the end of May, with the hopes of passing significant reform before the end of this summer. Among those measures are proposals to greatly increase proof of efforts by companies to find U.S. citizens and residents to fill positions before they may be offered to foreign nationals.

The senators have introduced legislation aimed at protecting U.S. workers and limiting the ability of companies to use the visas to train workers with the aim of shifting jobs overseas. Aides said the measure would be offered as an amendment to comprehensive immigration legislation that the Senate could take up as early as this week.

"As we move closer to the debate on an immigration bill, I continue to hear how people want to increase the number of H1B visas that are available to companies. Considering the high amount of fraud and abuse in the visa program, we need to take a good, hard look at the employers who are using H1B visas and how they are using them," Grassley said in a statement.

"Supporters claim the goal of the H1B program is to help the American economy by allowing companies to hire needed foreign workers. The reality is that too many H1B visas are being used to facilitate the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries," Durbin said.

"We have to look at the system that generates these visas and the way they are used. This legislation will help protect American workers first by stopping H-1Bs from being exploited and used as outsourcing visas."

Related:

Outgoing US Senator highlights concerns over H-1B visas

Indian outsourcing companies take the lion's share of U.S. H-1B visas
US granting larger numbers of H-1B & student visas to Indians in 2006

US H-1B visa cap reached in one day

US H-1B visas should not have limits: Bill Gates
US tech industry pushes for more H-1B visas

The US Congress will begin immigration reform, again

 

Guest worker visas come under fire
By Ed Frauenheim
Staff Writer, CNET News.com Published: February 4, 2004

Article excerpts:
L-1 visas and other guest-worker visas have been misused by companies to harm U.S. workers, witnesses told a congressional panel on Wednesday. And a number of members of Congress made it clear they are ready to change the visas, which have been described by critics as a vehicle for shipping middle-class jobs overseas.
"We can certainly do better for America's workers," Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., said at the hearing. "It's time for reform."
The hearing of the House Committee on International Relations focused on concerns that the L-1 visa program is fraught with fraud and abuse. L-1 visas allow companies to temporarily bring in employees from other countries for managerial or executive work, or for work that entails specialized knowledge. There is no annual cap on L-1 visas, nor is there a required pay rate. The number of L-1 visas issued by the U.S. government has tripled during the past 20 years, to about 113,000 in 2002, according to Hyde's office.
Another controversial guest-worker visa program is the H-1B program. It lets U.S. employers import highly skilled workers, such as computer programmers, for a period of up to 6 years (two 3 year terms). There is an annual cap this year of 65,000 new H-1B visas, although some exceptions apply. But this cap does not include the prior years workers and all are allowed up to 3 year work visas. Employers also are supposed to pay the prevailing wage for the job.

Both programs have come under scrutiny after massive job losses hit the technology sector. Defenders of the visas say they help keep U.S. employers competitive and that more work would transfer offshore if the programs were eliminated.

According to Hyde's office, a State Department memo from 1996 presents documentation indicating that, at that time, "ninety percent of the L petitions investigated by the American Consulate in Guangzhou proved to be fraudulent."
Two witnesses at the hearing said they were directly harmed by L-1 visas. Sona Shah, a U.S. citizen and computer programmer, told the committee that a former employer had abused the L-1 and other visas in the course of underpaying foreign guest workers and failing to give U.S. employees work assignments or training. Shah said a subsidiary of computer services company Automatic Data Processing had kept her and other U.S. technology professionals around temporarily to obscure its use of cheap foreign labor.
Patricia Fluno, also a technology professional, said she lost her job at a Siemens unit in Florida to a worker on an L-1 visa. Fluno said Siemens replaced her and other U.S. employees with lower-paid employees of India-based Tata Consultancy Services. Fluno also said she was directed to train her replacement. "This was the most humiliating experience of my life," she said.
 
Below is a comment left in response to a Blog discussing the H-1B Topic and Obama's position.
This is just one comment. At the very bottom below you will find many comments from many viewpoints.
  • 35Margo // Oct 16, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I am a immigration paralegal that started working for a supposed startup company that is actually a “H1B bodyshop” with the HQ in India. Not only are the workers being taken advantage of with bogus contracts, but the immigration petitions being filed are based on fraud and are breaking the federal law. They bring people over on H1B visas saying that they work for my company, then we file the petitions with the USCIS, the worker takes the approved petitions to the US embassy in India for their “appointment” then the H1B hopeful lies to the embassy officer saying they already have a job(per the petition that was sent to the USCIS) in the US and they get their visa and come over, they come to the office in N.California, and sit and wait in a seperate office for the company to find them a job. They do not get paid, but a one time $500 allowance. The company contracts them out to IT companies all the while keeping the employee under their H1B visa sponsership.This makes me ill, especially because it states that they are highly skilled workers that are needed by the company because they cannot find an American worker. These people are being exploited that come over….basically my company is the big “pimp” and the wokers are the “whores”. I can’t see how this is legal??? Needless to say, I am quitting.

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    American - Land Of The Brave, Home Of The H-1B and H-2B and L-1 Visas Profiteer ?

    US federal agents busted a H1B visa racket spread across seven states.

    New York, Feb-2009: A Federal Grand Jury has indicted 11 people, all of them of Indian-origin, in six states on H-1B visa fraud charges, and an information technology company called Vision Systems Group.

    Vision Systems Group is based in New Jersey, but it has an Iowa office in Coon Rapids.

    Federal law enforcement accuses Vision Systems Group of defrauding the US government, and ultimately costing American workers computer jobs.

    "What we found here is that some folks have found some ways to make misrepresentations to the government that disadvantage American workers who did not have the opportunity to apply for the real jobs that existed," says US Citizenship and Immigration Services official Michael Aytes.

    The Fed say Vision Systems Group sponsored highly-skilled foreign computer workers through a temporary professional worker visa.

    The US grants H-1B visas if companies meet stringent conditions. The companies must justify the need, disclose the job's exact location and pay a locally prevailing wage.

    US Department of Labor records showed that in 2004, Vision Systems Group sought the government's permission to hire foreign workers as programmer analysts in Coon Rapids at a $38,000 starting salary.

    The same job listing for the same company that same year in Somerset, New Jersey started from $40 to $47,000, which was $2,000 to $9,000 higher.

    The indictment accuses Vision Systems of obtaining the government's permission to import I-T workers to Coon Rapids at a locally acceptable salary.

    But the Fed said that in reality, Vision Systems sent those employees to California or New Jersey, paying them the lower salary tailored for Coon Rapids.

    "I think it directly affects American workers. I think you could look at these locations where these workers were, and that they probably displaced qualified American workers because they were working at a lower wage than the prevailing wage of that location," said US Attorney Matthew Whitaker.

     


     

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    by William M Wright


    Worker Visa Programs where originally designed to help American Farmers who lost workers to higher paying and better benefits unionized Manufacturing jobs.


    Work visa program for American Farmers has been around America for over four decades. This program was non-controversial when America had lots of high paying manufacturing jobs back in the 1950’s-80. But as those jobs have been evaporating from the USA more controversy is raised over the massive flood of illegal aliens from Mexico. Still Farmers have a growing need to fill for legal workers.

    The expansion of the guest worker program in 1990 to H-1B visas for IT workers during the dawning of the enterprize networking, Y2k and internet boom days was well intended. But it resulted in Profiteers utilizing it as a loop-hole to make fast money off importing cheap young foreign IT labor into American at the expense of American jobs. It hurt young recently graduated American computer science majors find jobs. And it was used to discriminate againest older more experiance and higher paid American workers too.


    Temporary workers, or guest workers, are nonimmigrant’s who are admitted to the U.S., often for a considerable amount of time, to work for specific employers. Most often these workers are legally or practically unable to change the terms of employment or to switch employers and hence are, in effect, captive workers. American agriculture imports such workers via the H-2A program (and persistently seeks to expand and simplify the program), while in recent years America's high-tech industry has lobbied successfully for a series of increases in the annual allotment of H-1B visas used for skilled workers (predominantly IT jobs filled by workers from India)


    Farmers claim that if they do not have either illegal aliens or captive guest workers, American agriculture could not function.

    But most agricultural economists agree that American agriculture could survive without

    either illegal workers or captive guest workers. They believe artificial inflation of the low-skilled agricultural labor market has encouraged farmers to plant more labor-intensive crops and has retarded the technological progress of American agriculture.

    The importation of foreign labor for farmers under the H-2A program is of little controversy during low unemployment years. But of major concern to American’s who for forty years have been tolled to obtain higher education for higher paid skill jobs is the massive importation for profit of foreign workers into what was considered high paying skilled white collar and blue collar jobs.


    A Junior Whooper Size Challenge Has a Major Impact on America’s IT Workers While the illegal alien flood into America is a “whooper size” problem a more “junior whooper” issue of even greater importance to skilled and high paid American IT workers has been building with its introduction since 1990.

    The Center for Immigration Studies reported that in 1981 there were only 44,000 temporary workers and trainees admitted to the U.S. By 1990, that number had grown to 139,000; and by 1996, 227,000. The total number of such workers present at any one time is in the hundreds of thousands.



    The H-1B visa program was invented in 1990:it opened the flood gates to import workers for profit.


    The H-1B visa program was invented in 1990 because of congressional panic over a forecasted labor shortage which never materialized. The program allowed for 65,000 temporary visas, good for up to six years, for people in "specialty occupations" tied to a specific employer. The main payoff of an H-1B visa is sponsorship by one's employer for a green card, and indeed the program, which government audits have identified as rife with abuse, has become a backdoor toward permanent immigration.


    Studies find the H-1B program is primarily used to import low-wage workers into replacing traditionally higher-paid American jobs.
    Two recent studies were done and both came to the same conclusion. Noteworthy, is what the study did not have time to investigate, the profit motive. An unintended consequence of the 1990 program was the creation of a human trafficking in importing foreign workers with the allure of American citizenship without the long drawn out immigration policy.


    In 1990 new for profit business sprang up all over America, working like highly organized assembly lines to import workers for profit. While they sell American employers on lower paid workers filling higher paid American worker IT jobs, often the “mark-up-for-profit” is so great it offsets any savings. And in the end the Imported Worker gets less pay while an American worker is unemployed.
    Naturally, America companies using this program will claim there are not enough skilled American workers to do the job. But a careful review of the companies employment trends will probable reveal past lay-offs of American workers with even more experience in those IT areas.

    Since the 1990’s major organization changes and downsizing combined with the impact of 9/11/2001 has lead to massive lay-offs in highly educated and skilled labor. Yet, when business does expand ( like in 2003-07 )no effort is made to draw from those more experianced (often older) workers.



    Here is a summary conclusion article published by the Center for Immigration Studies

    written by Jon Miano in April 2007


    Technology sector employers, who represent the largest share of H-1B visa users, tell the public that the H-1B program is vital to their ability to find the highly skilled workers they need. Yet Department of Labor data tell a different story. Previous studies have found that the H-1B program is primarily used to import low-wage workers.


    This report examines the most recently available wage data on the H-1B program and finds that the trend of low prevailing wage claims and low wages continues. In addition, while industry spokesmen say these workers bring needed skills to our economy, on the H-1B Labor Condition Applications (LCAs) filed with the Department of Labor, employers classify most of their H-1B workers as being relatively low-skilled for the jobs they are filling. This report compares prevailing wage claims and wages employers reported for H-1B workers in computer programming occupations in FY 2005 to wages for U.S. workers in the same occupation. Although the H-1B program stipulates that employers must pay H-1B workers at least the prevailing wage for their occupation and location, the results of this report clearly demonstrate that the regulation does not produce that result. The findings in this report clearly demonstrate that the legal definition of the prevailing wage requirement does not ensure H-1B workers are paid the actual market prevailing wage. Employer prevailing wage claims and reported wages for H-1B workers are significantly less than those for U.S. workers in the same occupation and location.


    This suggests that, regardless of the program’s original intent, the H-1B program now operates mainly to supply U.S. employers with cheap workers, rather than with essential skilled workers.


    Wake up America! Learn more and do more:


    http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back407.html


    http://www.cis.org/topics/guestworkers.html


    Beyond Bizarre


    SAN DIEGO, 10/1/2007- A North County man and woman are facing multiple felony charges for selling fraudulent Native American citizenship documents to illegal aliens who were promised they could legally enter the United States from Mexico and Canada by joining a Native American tribe.


    Victor Granadaos, 57, and Kim Thomas Johnson, 47, were arrested at their homes yesterday by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. The defendants, who are United States citizens, were arraigned this afternoon in county court on a six-count felony complaint for various theft and fraud charges.


    During the investigation, ICE agents located several victims who had been approached at sales meetings hosted in one of the defendant's homes. The victims paid $1,500 for a packet containing membership documents in the Pembina Nation Little Shell Band of North America, which is not a federally recognized Indian tribe.

    The defendants promised the documents could be used to legally enter the United States through Mexico and Canada. The packets included a Pembina Native American identification card and birth certificate, a special Native American vehicle license plate, and an informational CD that described the benefits of the membership.

    http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/

    articles/071101sandiego.htm


    Now American Medical Professionals Are Worried The H-B1 Program Will Eliminate Qualified American Born Workers

    written by Peter Standish-Holmes

    In most fields, obtaining an H1B visa is a very difficult process and stringent conditions apply before an H1B petition is approved. In medicine it is just the opposite.

    Administrators of hospital residency programs, in contravention of DOL rules and regulations, are routinely offering vacant positions to foreign medical graduates (FMGs) not living in the US without first attempting to fill such vacancies with qualified candidates residing within US borders.

    Hospital residency positions, including internships, are filled through a centralized electronic application system. Anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access can use this system to apply for hospital residency positions. This allows applicants from abroad to apply at the same time as US citizens and permanent residents.
    Since the number of applicants from abroad far outnumber US citizens and permanent residents applying for each vacancy, qualified US citizens and permanent residents are frequently never interviewed for some positions which ultimately are given to non-resident foreign applicants who are then supplied with H1B visas enabling them to work as physicians in the US.

    Hospitals are therefore determining who receive visas. Screening of these H1B recipients is minimal at best as hospitals are virtually unfettered in sponsoring H1B visas for candidates they hire from abroad.

    Hospitals receive federal, city and state funds from tax dollars, yet citizens and permanent residents residing in the US who contribute these tax dollars are being outnumbered and ignored.

    There are currently thousands of unemployed, qualified graduates of foreign medical schools; both US citizens and permanent residents; residing in the US capable of filling these vacancies.

    Only after all US citizens and permanent residents who apply are found not suitable, should programs be free to hire non-resident applicants. To interview and subsequently employ non-resident applicants without first interviewing US citizens and permanent resident applicants in order to ascertain their suitability, is utter disregard for US labor laws.

    This practice is dangerous in that doctors provided with H1B visas in this manner are not screened as thoroughly as other prospective immigrants are. This practice must be stopped outright.

    Please sign this petition and help safeguard the health and safety of our communities.
    I ask your help to ensure that:
    1.Current laws are respected and enforced.
    2.Applicants are appropriately screened before being provided with H1B visas.
    3.Regulations stipulating that vacant positions be offered to qualified US citizens and permanent residents before attempting to fill such vacancies with applicants from abroad are complied with.

    There are already thousands of qualified, unemployed foreign medical graduates residing in the USA capable of filling these vacancies.

    Below is a comment left in response to a Blog discussing the H-1B Topic and Obama's position.
    Unemployed IT Worker // Nov 28, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    Why don’t we have a count of American unemployed IT people that are trained and qualified (BSCS), but looking for work? Many studies have shown that we, in fact, do NOT have a shortage of skilled workers in the US.
    Isn’t that something we should have?

    There are still many, many professionals out there that were laid off due to the H-1B surges in 200, 2001, and 2003, as well as the cumulative effects of outsourcing. They are underemployed, or have had to change fields and work multiple jobs to make ends meet. Do not forget that this visa is called the “outsourcing visa” because it accommodates and streamlines the ability to MOVE WORK OUT of the US.

    Do we expect Americans to study hard, pay big tuition fees, preparing for a career - and become qualified (by BSCS degree) - only to find out that they are not first in line for jobs in their own country? (Think - What is wrong with this picture? Is this a Set-Up?)

    The skills for IT jobs that you see in internet job postings are presented in very narrow specific terms with numerous listed skills - including even version numbers of products used. The chances of an individual having the exact mix of skills listed is improbable. And, any smart IT person would not be able to work locked into a specific, stagnant skill set. The nature of this work is to problem solve, to constantly learn and incorporate new skills into your skill set. This use of very specific skill sets in job postings is a means to disqualify American citizens on paper, so that less expensive foreign labor can be used.

    Obama talks about a “bachelor’s degree or its equivalent” - the “or its equivalent” means what? a big loophole to bring in cheaper foreign workers without any rights.

    Do not be fooled. Any well trained BSCS (Bachelor of Science in Computer Science) professional can easily and quickly learn new skills, and needs to, to keep an interest in work and to do a good job.

    It sounds like Obama is trying to play both sides to me. I am hesitant to believe anyone that doesn’t talk about cleaning up all the well documented abuse in the H-1B and L-1 visa programs before they even mention ANYTHING about increases.

    Haven’t we all heard about Lawrence Leibowitz, the Director of Marketing for Cohen & Grigsby now best known for teaching companies how to NOT HIRE AMERICAN WORKERS?

    There are NOT enough new jobs in this field being generated right now to employ all the new graduates we have, forget about all the people that have been displaced by the previous serges in H-1B and L-1 visa use and the ongoing increase in outsourcing.

    Increasing H-1B will promote and streamline more, faster outsourcing - that is NOT what Americans need. Women and minorities, as usual, are the hardest hit.

    So when evaluating presidential candidates, we must really think about, who do they REALLY work for?

    You can investigate this issue at: http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/H1B.html

  • 2Thomas E. Stoll // Dec 13, 2007 at 11:05 am

    As A former tech worker who has seen many of his fellow Americans replaced by CHEAP H1B indentured servants this is my number one issue. I will not vote for any candidate who feels that the H1B program is nothing less that TREASON

  • 6Paul // Jan 27, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I’m a software engineer. After I graduated college, it was very, very challenging to find a job, because none of them were entry level. Of course, all of the entry level jobs have been outsourced to foreign countries. Still, I managed to get a job at a start-up, where I worked 12 - 15 hours a day for much less than the typical salary in my region. While I was there, almost HALF the software engineers were foreign, India and Mexico to be specific. They were HB1 contractors with roughly 7 years of experience each. My company would pay the contracting company and the contracting company would pay the hb1 worker roughly 30% of that, it was highway robbery!

    A HB1 visa increase will just reward companies that outsource entry level work to foreign countries as well as contractors that hire hb1 workers and then take 60%. I’m sorry, but $15 an hour is NOT prevailing wage for a software engineer with 7 years experience, which is what some of these hb1 visa employees were getting paid. You know what though, they were happy with $15 a hour, because that is a lot of money compared to what they would earn in their native countries. So what happens? Wages are kept down while inflation increases and Americans are out of jobs.

    Fix the HB1 visa program before you increase the cap. Start by auctioning off HB1 visas to the highest bidder instead of just giving them away first come first serve to contracting companies. Don’t allow HB1 visa workers rights like in-state tuition or tax breaks. Then, funnel money into creating entry level jobs in the U.S. Force companies to hire entry level citizens and train them, if we have to.

    The company with the highest number of HB1 visas? Infosys, a contracting company with it’s headquarters located in Bangalore, India.

  • 7neo // Jan 31, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    The Only way to fix the H1B and L1 abuse is by strict regulations. First of all, third party H1B consulting should be banned. Also a person on H1B should be paid 10-20% more than what is the prevailing wage. After that, there would be no need to do anything, Sit back and watch the fun.

  • 8crystal // Feb 4, 2008 at 4:03 am

    neo - you took the words right out of my mouth! When there is a shortage, you pay more, not less. H1B is very simply a scam to bring wages of Americans down.

  • 9jeff // Feb 5, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    I’m an EMPLOYED IT manager. We can easily train high school people to do a lot of the IT jobs, they don’t need BS degrees, a microsoft cert is sufficient. Yet my own company drives down wages routinely by bringing in H1B people rather than trying to compete or train Americans. We routinely offshore development and then lay off our developers. H1B is a corporate scam and is directly responsible for some of the collapse of the middle class. Personally I will not vote for anyone that supports it as is. At the same time my job would be in jepordy for even mentioning this to managment.

  • 10Thomas // Feb 21, 2008 at 7:44 am

    Guys… bashing H-1B people won’t do any good. Wanna bash someone? Bash the big companies that are going offshore to hire cheap labor just to make more money. If H-1B jobs are still inside of the U.S., even if they get lower salaries than most of you, the jobs are still in the country. If the government shuts off H-1Bs, don’t think you will get these jobs. These greedy companies will just close their plants here and go offshore.

  • 11Options?// Feb 23, 2008 at 6:32 am

    Before I go too far I must say I have been on a H1B visa for the last few years… not a very enjoyable experience either from my side either. I work for a very big fortune 50 in my field of specialization (unfortunately,I would not have found work in this area in back home). The jobs good the pay is decent..and life is fine. It is however depressing to see entire divisions at other places, almost sweatshops, on H1 and L1. Where I agree with most of you is that we have been cornered by this corporate strategy. . my manager and HR seem to think they have thrown me a lifeline… to be honest its irritating and insulting.

    I feel that we live in a complex world.. and no one gets chinese/indian/mexican comodities and services at cheap rates without paying a price. Someone somewhere in someway has to pay for it. For me, unfortunately, the other option is to go back home and carry with me a truck load of work with me when i leave

  • 12Thomas // Mar 10, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Supply and demand, more supply and the price goes down.

    H1B visa in a nutshell.

    Go ahead tell me the law of supply and demand does not include local labor!

    The “best and brightest” are replaced by the “cheap and desperate”
    If your short of IT workers why do interviewers tell me I’m “Overqualified”
    Why are there 25 different requirements including 3 years experience on an in-house system written in India?
    Why have I trained H1B holders to take my job?

    The abuse of our immigration laws to lower salaries of Americans goes back to before the Civil war when the SLAVES of the south were competing against the paid workers of the north.

    The Irish were brought in to lower wages of the Germans, the Chinese were brought in to lower wages of the Irish and the H1B’s are being brought in to lower the wages of Americans.
    This is nothing new it’s not race, gender etc it’s Price.

  • 14Thomas // Mar 14, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Competition is only fair in a level playing field. Just a race to the bottom.

    Supply and demand.

    Argue against it all you want but your not fooling anyone.

    American students are fleeing STEM field. H1B are Indentured servants. Saying that is not “Bashing H1Bs”.
    All I see here is just a Bunch desperate people from low wage countries trying to get out and being used by the H1B visa program to lower pay for local people. A blatant attempt at class warfare on the part of government and greedy CEO’s who have no loyalty or moral code of ethics.

    If you are not an American, why do you feel you have a say in our laws? I hear a lot of people tell us to mind our own business.

    Self serving arguments for cheap labor.

    As a lifelong civil rights activist who has worked (trained) many visa holders and seen the damage to US workers first hand I must conclude that the H1B program is the worst piece of legislation since the Three Fifths compromise.
    In high school I was badly beaten with a crowbar because of my race. I suffered permanent spinal injury and had to change schools. After seeing the abuses of H1B workers by US companies and Indian IT bodyshops I got upset and posted this “manual” on a blog site as a joke.

    Oh just to make myself clear on this issue, I’m FOR legal immigration of educated people in an orderly manner taking into consideration both the rights of the Immigrant and the local population.

    The H1B program is HATED by US workers for very obvious reasons.

    H1B supporters have been posting deliberately Racist posts opposing the H1B program in order to paint the H1B opposition as Racist.

    Oh and one more thing as far as the Male Female ratio goes why are so few Immigrants FEMALE? I really don’t like being in an All-male(mostly) profession. Bringing in hundreds of thousands of Men with very few women is a recipe for social unrest, and seems very discriminatory to me.

  • 16Marc // May 17, 2008 at 11:26 am

    The simplest fix to L1 and H1 could be this:

    1. Remove the cap on H1

    2. Get rid of L1 altogether

    3. NO third party contracting on H1. So if XYZ needs workers, they can get their own instead of bringing in Tata or any other Indian sweatshop. This will close the biggest loophole in the program which has caused most of the hurt and pain.

    4. Portability to H1B - no need to stick to a single employer. Let the employers decide who they want to hire instead of refusing them due to transfer hassles. This way the workers cannot be enslaved by their sponsors for 10 years or so.

    5. Prevailing wages + 25% must be the salary requirement. If there is a “shortage” and they are “skilled”, pay ‘em more. If they’re not, do not hire them. Economics 101.

  • 17biggest Flaw // May 21, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    you guys are fools, fighting for H1b , there are 10 times more L1 guys here , funny funny all spouses can work too on l2 , all these l1 and l2 guys take 10 times jobs away then h1 and they get paid indian salary ( Hahahahah)

  • 18Adil // May 28, 2008 at 6:55 am

    I agree with you Mr. Obama. But to work in the IT industry you just cannot just train. You need to get a 4 years of Bachelor degree in Engineering or computer science or higher. It need hard work and at least 4-5 hours of study every day till 4-5 years of college.

    Mr Obama I need you to look more into the effort and challenge that Engineers do rather than just seeing the statistics.

  • 19Kim. // Jul 9, 2008 at 7:02 am

    I am an international student who applied for an H1B this year. I studied in the US for four years and graduated in the top 7% of my class. I am Not in the technology field, but I am pursuing actuarial science.

    Maybe its because of my field, or the other international students I know personally, but I dont understand where the idea that we are accepting under-average rates is coming from. After doing four years of college here, why would I accept anything less than my US peers? In fact, because of internships both here and abroad (giving me a broader perspective in today’s globalized economy) I actually got job offers with above-average salaries. Other international student whom I know in the tech industry and investment banking are making the industry average of $60,000.

    In terms of the Male/Female, i dont understand your point. Statistically and historically it is mainly males that get into the STEM fields, so the H1B has nothing to do with the ratio. The fact that mostly males get into the science is even moreso prevalent in foreign countries (whose citizens apply for the H1B) than it is here.

    I agree that there should be restrictions for the process. I am in no way backing illegal immigrants. At the same time, I do not beleive I am “stealing” an American’s job (besides, how many students You know are studying actuarial science lol). In this light the H1B is fine for cases and fields such as mine.

    In fact, what should be also done is to tighten the restrictions for US workers working in foreign countries. If you don’t know it is a two-way street. US workers are working in numerous countries all over the world under much slacker programs. Why is there no fuss or knowledge about this? Do ppl even know the criteria to achieve a H1B? Most times no. Bermuda, England, Canada, Cayman Islands are just a few examples of places where US citizens are going to work. Write a blog about that and let’s call it even.

  • 20Chris // Jul 16, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    I don’t understand how most people who are against the H1b program think that by not having H1b you are going to keep the jobs in America. Think about this from the perspective of a manager (to be specific - an MBA guy) - ALL HE CARES ABOUT is driving cost down NOT helping you. These jobs will be immediately shipped out to other countries. By the way, if you check H1B and greencard sponsorship is hardly done for managerial positions.
    Of-course, H1bs land up spending most of their money in US unlike L1 employees and land up buying houses and building their lives in US when allowed to get a greencard. Unfortunately all this is tied to the employer and Obama’s position seems to be the most sensible one.
    All I am saying is that if you think about it calmly and carefully - if you believe in blocking immigrants - the only thing you are doing is increasing dependence on other countries and ultimately driving entire industries away.
    Think manufacturing - everything i see around me is made in China. It is just not hard to ship off a lot more of the jobs - specially to US educated employees in other countries.
    I think the only way everyone will be able to think about this topic clearly is when you set aside your personal pain with respect to this issue and think about it calmly.

  • 21NoJobs// Jul 22, 2008 at 8:26 am

    I’m deeply concerned about my job prospects in a shrinking economy, but an equally important issue is in how these resources are abused. They’re here because no american would stand the work hours and abuse for 40K. One Indian colleague of mine told me once , ‘ we are nothing but your modern day slaves’…great work America. After all the progress our leader have proclaimed in that realm, we find yet another population to indenture to the corporate interests.

    I don’t get how managers continue to sign up for it either. Check out the input from Indian resources that work for Infosys on the following site:

    http://mycompanysux.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8

    But someone at BCG or McKinsey says it should work….why doesn’t it work??

  • 22bill // Aug 18, 2008 at 11:00 am

    After working my ass off for 5 years to get an engineering degree, and another 5 years in the IT industry, I’m seriously thinking about changing careers before it’s too late - lawyer, finance, medicine. Of course, if we have such a ’shortage’ now for people like me, you can imagine how this shortgage won’t be getting better anytime soon….

    bright people jumping into non-productive sectors (AKA ’service-economy) where wealth is just passed around instead of actually produced will continue at an even greater rate. Great job America - the sooner it all comes crashing down, the better I say.

    On another note, if were gonna offshore half our good jobs, then import cheap workers due to ’skills shortages,’ let’s at least even the playing field for us tech guys getting the shaft.

    That means I get to buy all my medicine from India (where it is vastly cheaper due to much less restrictive patent laws). I can freely import any copyrighted material at the same prices the third world (actually) pays.

    I can get my teeth cleaned for $25 whether I have insurance or not. A doctor’s visit the same price due to hundreds of thousands of imported doctors and nurses that are allowed to write prescriptions.

    When I get divorced or need to hire a lawyer for a small claims court against some company that screwed me over (but knows it is not worth the cost of paying for a lawyer), I will soon be paying $40/hour for decent legal representation instead of multiple huge fees like it is now - cause we imported 200,000 English speaking foreigners who could specify in standard legal procedures and lowered the wages for the legal field.

    Next time I buy a house, I won’t be paying some huge commission to a ‘professional real estate broker’ simply because we’ll allow foreign companies from India/China along with their thousands of imported laborers access to the same records as the protected NRA/real estate scam.

    And when it is time for my kid to go to school, lets’ let the overpaid teachers’ union get what they deserve - 100,000 imported teachers from India that can speak English and are far brighter than the average US teacher - we can pay them $40K a year and not bankrupt the government with impossible-to-pay pensions such as we promise to unionized teachers now a day.

    I’m dreaming though…

  • 23Randall Burns// Aug 20, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    There is a basic economic problem with H-1b visas. Immigration rights to the US are valuable. the US gets over 10 Million immigration applications each year-and takes about 1.2 million(many of whom are relatives of US citizens).

    If visas were auctioned off the price would be considerable. Basically low cost H-1b visas let corporations pay workers in immigration rights that cost the company little instead of cash.

    Any occupation that is managed this way will drive out US workers.

    If companies want immigration rights, why shouldn’t they pay a fair price determined by an auction(with bonding requirements to assure the public doesn’t absorb things like health care costs)?

  • 28A.G. Phillips// Sep 15, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    As one who was replaced by a low-paid Indian import….This is just so much political posturing on both Obama’s side and McCain’s…God alone knows what they’re actually going to Do once in…but to hear practically the same line come out of both candidate’s mouths (i.e. ‘let’s get rid of (McCain) or ‘establish higher limits’ (Obama) makes me wonder how detatched BOTH are from the average IT worker; both sound like they’re firmly in the pocket of Management.

    Is EVERYTHING in America for sale these days?

    Yes, this kind of rot is nothing short of economic treason; but I prefer to think McCain’s is just outright sellout to Management, whereas Obama’s is Ivy-League-Ivory-Tower detatchment. He grew up poor, but he’s just spent too many years at the top, and seems to have a short memory.

    Sad. And here I thought we were going to have “change”.

    It’s going to be more like “spare change, please,” when we’re out on our asses.

    Oh, and “Psamty”…don’t you “mate” me with that attitude…your sort of 3rd-world Darwinism just doesn’t wash in civilized democratic societies that are supposed to care for their own citizens first; in Norway, for example, they have a 2% unemployment rate: reason? One simple rule: “No foreign workers”.

    How about that, Mr. Social Darwinist, oh, I mean, “mate”?

    .I’ll start a boycott of your country’s goods and services that’ll send you back to whatever

  • 29Julio // Sep 19, 2008 at 10:13 am

    So a lot of you are concerned with H1B workers taking over American jobs (wheather over or underpaid) and think this should stop but none of you had actually thought of on the reasons behind this. You complain about mexicans or indians taking over your jobs but you say nothing abou the US putting sweatshop in foreign countries and making those cities some of the poorest cities in their countries (which starts migration to rich countries like the US)
    Before you start criticizing H1B, you should start by criticizing the US foreign policies which is causing this problem.

  • 32Mike // Oct 2, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    All against H1B read the truth below!!

    You want your international corporations to sell products in India and China but dont want to give them jobs. Stupid!! GM, GE, IBM, Microsoft, big/medium/small companies all would have been bankrupt if they wouldn’t have sold products in so called ‘emerging economies’.

    I have seen presentations in my company which clearly says that they would go bankrupt if they dont push sales in ‘emerging economies’.

    But you think that people are there just to buy your products. Excuse me!! they dont buy for free. You want to be the only ones to reap the fruit of globalization. Accept the truth…your big-big corporations on which the whole Capitalist economy of US is based are surviving on emerging economies. So dont whine about them. Without them these big corporations( in which you have your funds, stocks, 401k, etc, etc invested) whould have long died ending the easy going american life with all the capitalist freedoms you enjoy right from birth. So you are not the only ones to enjoy global fruits, let others also share some. You are whiners who just want to sit on lazy fat asses and see the world just buy/consume US products.

    All above is truth but you wont see the other side of story….

  • 34Yuri // Oct 11, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    We are already bankrupt look what is going on, are we going to think about a billion of Chinese or Indians we would never pay our mortgages the politicians do not understand this they are talking about global economy well then let global economy pay for my mortgage and I will collect unemployment and sit on welfare

  • 35Margo // Oct 16, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I am a immigration paralegal that started working for a supposed startup company that is actually a “H1B bodyshop” with the HQ in India. Not only are the workers being taken advantage of with bogus contracts, but the immigration petitions being filed are based on fraud and are breaking the federal law. They bring people over on H1B visas saying that they work for my company, then we file the petitions with the USCIS, the worker takes the approved petitions to the US embassy in India for their “appointment” then the H1B hopeful lies to the embassy officer saying they already have a job(per the petition that was sent to the USCIS) in the US and they get their visa and come over, they come to the office in N.California, and sit and wait in a seperate office for the company to find them a job. They do not get paid, but a one time $500 allowance. The company contracts them out to IT companies all the while keeping the employee under their H1B visa sponsership.This makes me ill, especially because it states that they are highly skilled workers that are needed by the company because they cannot find an American worker. These people are being exploited that come over….basically my company is the big “pimp” and the wokers are the “whores”. I can’t see how this is legal??? Needless to say, I am quitting.

  • 38No shortage of Americans for IT jobs // Oct 23, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    There is defintitely an overabundance of “HR managers” though and any “HR manager” who wants to hire foreigners over Americans should be deported.

  • 39Are you Native American?// Oct 24, 2008 at 5:23 am

    Nice, keep being ignorant. Sergey Brin- Russian, Linus Torvalds- Finland, SAP- Germany, Michael Leonidas Dertouzos- Greece, Chris Date- England, Wim Ebbinkhuijsen- Netherlands, James Gosling- Canada, Kenneth Eugene Iverson- Canada, Srinidhi Varadarajan- India, and the list goes on. Wake up man.

  • 40Hate the companies not the workers// Nov 2, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    I am not indian or chinese or even from asia but I am an H1b worker. Doesn’t a lot of americans realize H1b workers are people too? The majority are well educated people. You can’t say they are not “the best and brightest” but instead are cheap and desperate. Even though they may not get paid well its not accurate to say H1Bs drive down salaries. These fortune 500 and fortune 1000 companies pay top dollar to consulting firms for H1b workers and then the consulting firms turn around and pay 50 and 60 percent to the H1b worker. So the companies aren’t necessarily getting a financial break. I get many job offers and descriptions for IT jobs by email daily many of which ask for US citizens or permanent residents. So for the unemployed US IT workers I say get up off your ass and go do an interview for Pete’s sake and if you don’t get a job ask why and then go update your skills. And on the offshore issue, H1b program and offshore or outsourcing are two separate issues. Please buy a dictionary soon and look up the word “offshoring”. Its completely different from the H1b program. H1bs only exist “within” the US while “Offshoring” moves businesses and services to other countries. Please read what you write before you post it. The first comment that mentioned specific skills “presented in very narrow specific terms with numerous listed skills - including even version numbers of products used”, it is called specialization. Its been around for a long time. You don’t want your pilot to be doing mechanic work on the weekends and doing dentist work after hours right!!! Get with the program man. Read a book.

  • 41Anchor // Nov 2, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I am on H1 and the only international person in my company. My company is in the simple business of Network Management.

    To get the right candidate in New York City, we interview 40 people [Freshers or with 2-3yrs experience]. The salaries they ask are huge in comparison to there experience.

    Ask my boss if he is against the H1B? He is but also considers me a good employee. I was hired on this job for a 3 months probation with no experience at all. Worked myself way up in the chain by gradually learning and upgrading skillset.

    Don’t abuse the H1 B visa holders and present a false alibi. If you can’t find a job, then either there is nothing out there or you can’t seem to accept a little less salary.

    World is changing and globalization is the key word. If companies or economies won’t change, they risk dieing.

  • 42Anchor // Nov 2, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    I am on H1 and the only international person in my company. My company is in the simple business of Network Management.

    To get the right candidate in New York City, we interview 40 people [Freshers or with 2-3yrs experience]. The salaries they ask are huge in comparison to there experience. Some of the experienced people cannot even answer a simple question on TCP/IP and there expected salary is 85k per annum. They are varied but sorry to say that most are American Citizens. I am sorry if i hurt someone’s feelings. Not being racist but saying the truth.

    My company won’t have hired me if they would have found worthy candidates.

    Ask my boss if he is against the H1B? He is against it but also considers me a good employee. I was hired on this job for a 3 months probation with no experience at all. Worked myself way up in the chain by gradually learning and upgrading skillset. I was hired not because of what i know but my willingness to learn and pay a price which was to work at a lower salary in the beginning. I don’t see any harm in that, as i believe that once your prove your worth, only then you are able to ask the $ you want.

    Don’t abuse the H1 B visa holders and present a false alibi that you can’t find a job. If you can’t find a job, then either there is nothing out there or you can’t seem to accept a little less salary or you don’t have the skillset or what it takes to get that job.

    World is changing and globalization is the key word. If companies or economies won’t change, they risk dieing.

  • 43Aspirant // Nov 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    I am an H1b holder from India in IT sector and plans to be in US by end of this December. Here the question is why people like me are interested in a Job in US is purly economical reasons and the demand available in US.

    The factor behind the “cheap labour” is the value of US$ to a foriegn currency. Some few months ago many of my collegues including me was not at all interested to take up a job in US as the $ to Rupee(Currency of India) was too less.
    All sectors including IT, offshoring , exports is based on this value . The demand and supply just controls all these. In the early 1980’s the Indian Economy was just begining to catch up and all the goods and services including labour was so cheap due to the Dollar - Rupee inbalances . Companies in US was interested to buy goods and services from Indian companies and they too interested to export this goods and services(jobs ), which are very attractive economically. Now the break-even and maturity levels reached. The signs of a decline of the economy on the way. This H1b controversy is a bye-product of this decline. But I feel this is short lived as the US economy will again boost in the future which again puts things in order.

    I feel this is how the influx of people from other countries to US happened . In the eyes of an average Indian, America is a wealthy country and a land of opportunites . But currently after slowdown we see the job losses in US and a weak Dollar and a more stronger local currency. This again reduces attractiveness of Goods and services from India.

    I belive in the econonic principle of Demand and supply which drives everything. The current problem is too much of H1 supply along with current economy situation in US sparks this controversy. A control as suggested by Obama in a phased manner may work and it takes some time . By the time Amerians get trained and gets more IT and medical and paramedial jobs the economy goes up. The richness and the greed for more money also goes up. This puts Dollar value again at high levels and other currencies low. When supply is controlled again demands goes up and the cycle continues.

    On offshoring :- No Americans will be worried about jobs when thier economy is doing well and when there is luxury . There are many companies in India which just answer the phone calls to support a product or give product information. Considering the Dollar -Rupee conversion , these services are done at offshore location for pea-nuts. Can Obama stop this shipping of jobs to India? It is more than the tax breaks that is offered by Obama. How can a Govt stop a business unit function less ecnomonical in a Capitalist Economy like USA ?
    The socialist reforms as suggested by Obama may work for sometime, but again it will be driven by Demand due to supply issues .
    I feel stopping offshoring is not practical and short- lived.

    If the principles of ecnomics are right then we all will have a win-win situation. That’s what the world hopes.

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  • 45Teesh ATL // Nov 5, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    It’s interesting to see the comments on both sides because I’m actually on both sides. I have been a US citizen since 7 and I’m Indian.

    In 200o when I was just out of school I couldn’t get a job because of no experience and the market was bad. So I worked Retail and some Government Contracting till 2004. Then I got with a fly-by-night company run by Indians that I meet through a mutual friend. I got trained in a very specific skill set and have been very well employed for the past 4 years. I don’t have visa but most people assume I do till they talk to me (no accent).

    I have seen both the exploitation and the excess of H1-B visa’s. I know people who make 85-100 dollars an hour to people who make 38k per year doing the EXACT same job. To really fix this system make a minimum wage on H1-B visa’s 75k. After all H1-B visa was intended for scientist and researchers as President-Elect Obama has indicated. Companies like TCS, Infosys, Kanbay will balk at paying such a high rate for their employees as they wouldn’t be able to offer cutthroat labor rates for their clients.

    Companies like Microsoft(Friend works here), Google, EBay(Friend works here), IBM(Lot of friends work here) which really do benefit from
    increasing their resources for truly innovative stuff and also treat their employees would have no problem paying 75K and would probably pay even more.

    Sorry to make this such a long post but one final point. H1-B visa are neither the problem nor the cure. America has been consistently moving away from R&D to providing services. Most jobs that are performed by H1-B are not product/research development but customization for specific clients. I think that America will always draw the best and brightest from across the world but if we stigmatize them because of the practices of some companies padding their bottom line we cheapen the American Dream.

    Simple solution if it is a High Tech Workers Visa then pay them a HIGH TECH WORKERS WAGE 75K minimum for all H1-B.

    Yes We Can-08

  • 46Joey // Nov 5, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    I agree with some of the people above. We should make sure all H1Bs get paid an average of 20% more than Americans. If companies still continue to employ H1Bs, then we should further increase their pay. Probably, also throw in free massages and other perks. Seriously.

    You guys need to understand about globalization - the sale of American products abroad also hampers indigenous products in other countries causing layoffs - causing people to leave their countries to work for the firms here, and thus stealing American jobs. Let’s stop exporting anything outside the United States.

  • 47John// Nov 6, 2008 at 5:01 am

    I am a CEO of a large company and we are using H1 and L1 to supplement our workforce. It provides us with skilled workers at a good rate. We can get 2 Indian tech workers for the price we pay 1 American. I don’t see any problem with this at all. If we want to get rid of them, no problem, we just let them go, but recently we have been letting go the American workers and bringing in more L1 people through Tata and Infosys. These guys are great, they will work the crap out of these boys late into the night, send work back to India and have them work on it while we are sleeping. I have heard the quality isn’t quite as good, but it is about 95% good and we can deal with the 5% of errors and fix those with the few people we still have employeed in our IT dept. We find that keeping the sub par American worker is best, they tend to not complain so much and aren’t as fast to try and find another job. We reward them by giving them the standard 2% raise every year, but raise their portion of the healthcare insurance to offset that raise. Meanwhile, us execs are taking some nice bonuses this year, most of us are getting bonus equal to our annual salaries and I see nothing wrong with that.

    Thanks,
    John the CEO

  • 48H1B worker // Nov 6, 2008 at 9:07 am

    It is very informative and interesting reading both side. I myself being H1B resource working for fortune fifty clients from last 5 years.
    Imagine the scenarios:
    1. Companies like microsoft, pepsi, coke, ibm are not allowed to sell their products in emerging countries (NO EXPORT)
    2. Us has to leave with whatever inbuild talent they have and dont import any talent, knolwedge, labour (NO IMPORT)
    Imagine what will happen to everyday life of common man in USA. Walmart will get closed down, everything will go hay-wire..
    We need to understand the global effects, understand the complexities of global economy.. you just cant say I am loosing my job so H1B should be banned.. need to find out why american is not as competent as indian, why company and many managers mentioned above like indian or chineese worker better than american.. introspection is important!
    As far as H1B system is concerned that lottery is joke.. you study here for years and your career, dreams are resulted by lotter system..
    Still I find H1B workers are better than L1, as there are higher chances of H1B filing GC and purchasing houses, cars right here in USA rather than sending money offshore, which will help US economy keep rolling.
    From H1B employee perspective, getting into lotteries is first hassle and once we cross that maintaining the status is the next one. Thats the beauty if you want to be in status, u need to be in demand and u have to work at your best to else there is no survival.. once american workers learn into this there are no H1B needed then and management gurus can stress on near shoring than offshoring !!

  • 49Student // Nov 6, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    I’m an Indian but I have been in the US since the 4th grade. For all practical purposes, I’m quite different because I was educate here. I just graduated with a BS in Electrical Engineering and I have applied for 200 jobs with very few interviews. I worked so hard and studied so hard and now I can’t find a job. My friend told me, why don’t you act as if you are H1B or something or like a FOB then you’ll land a job. So, me a US citizen, must act like a H1b or FOB Master’s student on a student visa and fake an Indian accent to land a job?? What’s wrong with this picture. Moreover, my fellow indians bloat their resume with lies. Bottom line is, when the competition gets stiff and everyone is lying.. Man, I hate to say this.. I’m thinking about putting fake experience on my resume because right now I have zero experience in the industry. I am not getting noticed. If this is what I have to do get a job then so be it. Looked at the fakeresume site.. great help!!

  • 50Against H1! // Nov 6, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Working in the tech industry, i can realize that H1 is the biggest cost cutting incentive a company has. In the long run a company sacrifices the quality of a product.
    I am quite disappointed to see that president elect will not be doing anything about restricting the number of foreign students allowed to study in the US. Due to the loop holes every so called student converts his education visa to a working visa.

  • 51Foreign student // Nov 7, 2008 at 7:38 am

    I would like to dispel some misconceptions with the H1-B program. Firstly, companies hiring H1-b workers are by NO means paying them less. The process costs them at least $3000, not to mention the time and effort put into it. This is the same reason why some companies are only looking for US citizens or PR’s.

    I am paid $50,000 as an entry level, with no experience whatsoever. This is on par with my fellow american graduates….so to say that companies hire H1-b for lower pay is complete ludacris. The obvious reason for this move is that there is a HUGE LACK of IT skills in the country, which explains why IT salaries have been skyrocketing.

    Lastly, banning H1-B workers into the country would worsen the situation. Companies will start a base elsewhere. Just ask Bill Gates who opened up a base across the border in Canada, when he was not able to obtain more H1-B workers.

  • 52H1B worker // Nov 7, 2008 at 8:21 am

    Hello Student,
    I can understand your situation.. but the problem I can see is you are blaming the H1-B holders rather than regulations. If somebody is faking their resume or cheating with system.. system should be smart, strong and flexible enough to punish the people who are doing wrong things. As many people has said above rulling H1B out is going to be disasterous. In India when economy was opened every small business was kept to compete with global american giants. Obviously many of them got trahsed and lost their presence. In USA on the simliar notes IT employees are loosing jobs as they are not able to compete or give out the required acceptable results at reasonable rates. As a while global economics will find its equillibrium, one has to understand where he should stand!!
    Good luck!

  • 53nick ilzar // Nov 7, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    US is a country of immigrants
    If today;s US citizens say that they oppose H1B’s and foreign workers, they must recall that their forefather’s were also arrived on H1B’s, just that a visa system did not exist that time!

  • 54xyz // Nov 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Hi,

    85% of US companies do not hire International students graduating from US universities although they might have better grades than fellow Americans. We have to search for only those jobs where we have the possibility of getting H1B. In my University if 100 companies visit for recruiting there are hardly 5 companies that take international students. Don’t you think American citizens have added advantage because of the only fact that you are American. Even if you people cannot get job after graduating you should seriously think about your capabilities. I had seen people getting 3-4 job offers while we struggle multiple times than you people only to get one interview call, that too for jobs that you people do not want to do. How many Americans are ready to sit in front of computer for 8 hours a day programming. I doubt it will be hardly 2%. You people harp so much about outsourcing, consider this point. One wireless router is sold for 30$ in USA, suppose some problem occurs and you need to call tech support and end up spending 1 hour solving the problem what is the cost of that in America. At the least 12$. In India it costs may be 3-4$. Can any one tell how will American company compete if some chinese company sells wireless router for 20$ and also has tech support in china. You won’t doubt that they can sell it for 20$ and you people will buy and i am very much sure about that. We are helping you people to compete. You people cannot even dare to bring back those jobs that’s why companies are outsourcing. Even if Obama takes away the tax break they wont create job over here. Simple economics, still they have more return in outsourcing than in tax break

  • 55xyz // Nov 8, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    You want to know about how much America Profits because of us. There are 800000 students studying every year in USA. They spend on average 10000$ on their tuition and around 500$ per month on living that combines to around 1.5 billion US$. We have to pay for GRE, TOEFL, Applying to Universities, Visa fees, Air Travel and so many other stuff that comes out to be around 3000$ per student. Overall we spend 3-4 billion $ in USA per year. I am not counting 340$ OPT fees and 3500 H1b Fees and so many other stuff. Even if you count the money we bring to your universities it may be around 5-15 million dollars a year depending on enrollment. Don’t you think your universities need this money.

  • 56xyz // Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Don’t just look into one side of coin, try to look at both sides

  • 57xyz // Nov 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    I am not even talking about health care.Hiring American employee needs employer to spend on health care. If you ship those jobs your employer don’t need to pay anything. There are many such things that American government needs to look into. Why don’t hey try to reduce medicare costs. This will help companies. Why cant you reduce the cost, the same medicare that costs 100$ over here is costing 5$ over at other places. You don’t have public transport. Everyone travels singly in such a big car, do you people think that’s efficient. There are so many fundamental problems in America because of which you people need more money to live. Why don’t you change your habits. Mr. Obama is at least write on this when he says we should not consume 50% of oil when we have only 2%. You people should learn to live with what you have.

  • 58steve // Nov 8, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    What a mess. I actually admire the Indian workers leaving home and trying to get ahead. But, there is not skill shortage. It was a mith. If the government of India, Indian industry, the government of the US, and American industry all want our IT world to be dominated by Indian labor on H1 and L1 visas then that will hapen. It is for cost though, not skill shortage. Americans stopped studing IT in large part because they knew what was up. I think that was right about the time Microsoft started work on Vista. (not pointing fingers) but how was the quality?

  • 59H1B worker // Nov 8, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Outsourcing/ offshoring & H1B are totally different issues. People are trying to mix up things here!
    Again, Outsourcing/ offshoring is more cost benefitial to US employer. H1 is definitely for skill shortage plus the contracting model help employer to have less liabilities & more flexibility which is byproduct of H1B & L1 visas.
    Qucik Note- In the westeren part of India, thousands of farmers have committed sucide in last 5 years. The main reason is they are not in position to compelte with gloabal giants plus they have lost their lands in SEZ(Special economic zones) about to be occupied by global giants or their partners. The point is we need to understand the impact of globalization on our life and change ourselve accordingly. It’s kind of storm, f you are with it its good else it will blow you one day! Again, H1-B is far better than offshorization.Through H1-B jobs are still in USA, else they will be in Canada or Mexico or India or Chiana. US top companies will earn through it but overall it will be huge huge job losses. If H1Bs are increased it will in turn create more job in this country (one job creates 3 more appx,) e.g. H1B person will live here for 6 years, chances that he will go for GC and then purchase car(s), invest here in shares, purchase house are much much higher than sending those jobs to offshore and only few in the industry are at benefit.
    Needless to say H1B reform is much require now, making system very strict and punsih those who have been playing with it, whether its Indian or US consulting company. Thats where political desire will come into picture, very similar to the Wall street reform this system must be revisited, rethought.

  • 60Ignorance is Bliss // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Steve, you seem to be the epitome of ignorance. If you represent the average American man, then you asked for this.

  • 61xyz // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    you know windows vista has so many problems because Microsoft tried to hurry up its launch. Do you know most part of Windows 7 is still developed in India. If it was for quality or any such issues Windows 7 would have been developed in USA.

  • 62Ignorance is Bliss // Nov 9, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Could you please care to tell us what problems does Vista have? Or are you one of those Apple lemmings that drool all over the carpet every time a PC Vs Mac ad is on? Vista just got a really bad rep that’s about it. Also, it was more of a business issue than a product one. Nobody wanted a new OS when XP was such a hit and Vista did not do anything spectacularly better than XP, feature-wise.

    You have absolutely no idea about the way Microsoft in India works From my personal experience, I can say that getting into MS Seattle is way easier than getting into MS Hyderabad, thanks to the billion people competing. Bottomline is, American companies will business where they can be most cost-effective, be it India, be it China. Microsoft is not an exception. And you know how much money Microsoft spends in India on lobbying for government projects every year? Microsoft is making billions in the Indian govt’s egovernance project.

  • 63To Steve // Nov 9, 2008 at 10:45 am

    If Americans stopped studying IT (for whatever reason), how is there not a skilled shortage? Where are the American IT workers gonna come from?

  • 64SS // Nov 10, 2008 at 5:54 am

    Good day guys! Lots of comments about H1Bs. People say americans can fill the shoes if H1Bs are kicked out, How is that possible? The company I work for is a small co and they have 30 people working offshore to keep this business up and running. All because they cannot find and retain people with those skills. Imagine how many people a big size company needs and how many companies there are. They have no option, if they want to keep the rest of the jobs they have to outsource.
    And someone says H1bs should not be given tax breaks and all that… guys H1Bs are not citizens so they dont get the insane tax breaks that citizens get and I am with you they should not be given tax breaks and also they should not be made to pay Social security and medicare taxes to help some useless homeless individual, now dont argue that the person is homeless because of the H1B program. H1Bs help create jobs, they pay taxes as much as any citizen does or may be even more. They help keep many jobs in the US. So stop cribbing and get back to work.

  • 65H1B worker // Nov 10, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Well said SS!
    1. Obama is always saying in his campaign, he will save every job to stay in USA and fight for sending it to offshore.
    2. USA do need technical experities (deifnitely specially skilled and not just graduates resources) and H1B is the program to fill up those shortages as well as agressively encouraging education systems to create more and more resources in USA itself.
    To make both 1 & 2 possible, they have to increase H1B limit. In 2001, 2002 & 2003 that limit was 1,95,000 which is then reduced to 65000 + 20000 (f0r US graduates). You can surely see how many jobs are actually lost in 2004,2005,2006 & 2007 as it has encoruaged as well as comeplled comanies to send job to offshore. I am not even considering the jobs which would have been created if H1B limit not decreased. They have to increase this limit to 195000 or some sizable amount. They have to measure every job going to offshore, every new job getting created and what it needs actually. You can not Manage which you can not measure. To support US economy H1B increase is must which will aid to technical innovations at the same time american task force must be heavily prepared to take challanges urging them to go to IT fields not away from it. If they do not come into global competition, H1B will can not go away in future!!

  • 66Bk // Nov 10, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    I hear some H1-B proponets say “at least the jobs (filled by non-Americans)” stay here. If Americans aren’t filling them, why is that such a great result? Where will the “4 jobs for every immigrant” be created? At the Motel 6 or Taco Bell? Worst case scenario I’d rather these stinking companies move their operations overseas if they’re not going to hire Americans. We already have enough overpopulation and all the problems that come with it.

  • 67BK guy goes ballistic // Nov 10, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Dude BK. Do we conclude that you have no idea whatsoever as to how the American economy runs? What cave do you live in? Open your eyes, every 2nd person in this country is a goddamn immigrant. If you’re a white dude (most likely), your forefathers were immigrants too. Immigrants pay upto $140 billion in taxes every year. If it wasn’t for them you would have a ‘Foreclosure’ sign hanging in your porch today for the lack of a bailout. Go visit Redmond sometime and check out Microsoft campus. You will see more brown people than anybody else out there.

    A few eye-openers.
    1. You got your stimulus check right? H1Bs didn’t. Even though they pay the same in taxes. Why? No votes so no stimulus. How would you like that?
    2. H1Bs are paying for all the baby-boomers’ medicare and social security expenses right now even though they will never get to use them. We all know where those two are going in a few years. Social security is already gone belly up.
    3. The money that H1Bs send home comes back into the economy, thanks to the knee deep deficit that President Bush has managed to push us into. Hope you do know that China and most other emerging economies pump money into the US financial system just to keep things running? The day China stops handing out free checks to us, the dollar will be worth a piece of toilet paper.

    So stop this prejudice and use your time to read up on how the global economy works. I’d recommend Thomas Friedman’s ‘The World is Flat’ (very old book now) as a great primer. Just coz some immigrant stole your job at Taco Bell does not mean that you hate all immigrants.

  • 68Re: BK guy goes ballistic // Nov 11, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Where to start…as long as we’re making assumptions, I’ll assume by your tone that you’re a self-congratulatory champion of globalization. First I’d like to say thank you oh thank you for saving us all. Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way…

    -Yes, my great, great grandparents were immigrants. Yet there’s been periods, from the 1920s to the 1960s for instance, where the country has had virtually no immigration in order to assimilate the new immigrants and stabilize the country. Moreover, the focus of this discussion is on h1-b visa holders, not immigrants. By definition these are not intended to be permanent residents so your comparisons to my ancestors are nonsense.

    -Moreover, it seems that YOU are the one lacking knowledge of basic economics. Yes, h1-b visa holders do pay into the tax system. But your logic assumes this is all a net gain for the US economy. Do you think if an American worker held these jobs they would not be paying taxes or stimulating the economy through spending? In addition, tax revenues are reduced given that taxes are being taken on h1-b salaries that are 12,000 less than the prevailing wage. Furthermore, there are enormous economic and social costs that are realized when an h1-b visa worker displaces an American worker. Unemployment insurance, welfare, divorces, crime, etc. As a society we pick up the tab for corporate America’s addiction to cheap labor. So stop giving yourself high-fives.

    You and your pro-globalization buddies may argue that some of these jobs would be shipped overseas if the h1-b visa program did not exist. I’ll even entertain that possibility. However, what are the environmental and infrastructural costs associated with absorbing millions of new residents? What about the diminished quality of life due to overpopulation? Why should US citizens be subsidizing cheap labor for greedy corporations? And if a US company decided to move nearly its entire workforce offshore do you think there would not be a backlash? Do you think they would still get tax breaks, do you think they’d still be given the same access to our market? Chances are these companies might actually have to play the supply-demand game in the US, and pay a decent wage. No kidding.

    I don’t take it personally that you call me “prejudiced” for having the nerve to show concern for the plight of fellow citizens of all races (imagine that?). This type of name calling is the option of last resort for someone who doesn’t have the facts on their side. I would expect nothing less from someone who kneels at the altar of Thom Friedman. Thom Friedman? Gimmie a break.

  • 69ABC // Nov 13, 2008 at 9:27 am

    People on H1Bs come here, because their countries won’t pay as much as we do in America.
    If America is in need of skilled workers just hire them temporarily instead of giving them GreenCards and citizenships. They can go back to their countries after a period of time, instead of staying here forever and taking away other people’s job.

  • 70Nick Damon// Nov 13, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Well I do not think h1b workers should be blamed because of a firm’s decision to hire h1b employees.
    We are a web hosting company and are now looking forward to outsource some of our operations to cut the operational cost so who should we blame now?
    h1b employees for taking our jobs or should we thank them so low cost labour.
    will you support our company if we say that buy our products to keep 1000 american workers hired?

    At that point you will think about your moeny and not those 1000 workers but if you are one of those 1000 workers you will end up blaming h1b employees and not fellow americans ..

    Mature people will understand what i am trying to say .

  • 71Bk // Nov 13, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    I wouldn’t vilify the h1-b visa holder. I am only irked by them when they act as if they’re somehow saving “ungrateful”(and unemployed) American citizens by virtue of holding a job here. It’s primarily the responsibility of government to stand up for the rights of its citizens, and here the government has let the people down. The ship has long since sailed in terms of companies having any loyalty to citizens of the communities they operate in. Though they’re more than happy to sell their products to them.

  • 72Shane Fox // Nov 13, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    The problem with us Americans has always been that we have considered ourselves way above the rest. It starts right from our foreign policies down to the common citizen. We just have way too much superiority complex. What exactly is globalization? Is globalization just shipping jobs away to a 3rd world country? Is globalization limited to H1bs coming into our country and ’stealing’ our jobs away? I don’t think so. And what we’re seeing today is not a result of something as new as the H1B phenomenon. Let’s take a broader look at what has been happening over the past 50 years or so.

    From almost 30+ years, we have been importing goods from China and many other 3rd world nations at an alarmingly rising rate. The reason? We simply cannot make them here at a cheaper price. Why? Our ridiculously high labor costs. In the quest to provide a better lifestyle to all our citizens, we have forgotten the basic principle of supply and demand. For any economy to keep running, there has to be both demand as well as the right supply to meet this demand. However, our demands have outgrown our needs. And today, all we are is a 100% consumption-only nation. You know Joe’s savings rate? <0.5 percent. The average Chinese Joe saves 30-50 percent of his income.

    We have had a trade deficit for the past 30 years which means we have imported more stuff than we’ve exported. How many years do you think this model would work? Some genius in the Federal Reserve thought that we can get a continous stream of money from other countries by exchanging T-bills. A T-bill is worth what? Nobody knows! Or maybe nobody wants to tell. But the people who have been giving us money would want to know, coz it’s their money! A T-bill is nothing but a piece of paper if you don’t have anything to back it up with. It’s like you have a title for a Mercedes and say your car is worth 50gs when nobody has seen your car. It might be a 1975 Mercedes sitting in some garage somewhere. Who knows!

    The mess we are in today hasn’t been created by a bunch of H1bs coming here to make a living. And we talk about quality of life deteriorating because of these guys. Believe me, I have a lot of people at work who are H1Bs and I’m not making this up, but they have a much better lifestyle than the average Joe. These are skilled professionals we’re talking about here not Detroit workers. In fact, the company I work for was founded by a person who came to this country on an H1B. The company has 3000+ people on their payrolls today, almost 2500 of them Americans.

    If we really are concerned about immigrants, then we need to secure our borders first. 12 million illegal immigrants and rising and our beloved politicians would want to legalize them. What would happen to our standard of living then? We are cool with that though! Or else where would we get $5 an hour mexican labor to do our lawns right? There are inherent problems with our system (Medicare, Social Security, you name it) that are way bigger than 65000 skilled workers coming in every year legally. They pose the least amount of threat to our society if not uplift it in some way.

    The biggest crisis that America is facing today is the ‘I want it all’ attitude. We want to have the best of both worlds. We would want that cheap T-shirt at Target for no more than $10 but we want a 100g job too. We dont want to make those shirts though coz that would make it a $100 shirt then. We want to flaunt our Hummers and dont want to pay more than $2 for the gas, even if it means bombing countries and killing thousands of innocent people. I want to sell Coca-Cola laced with pesticides in the remotest village of India and make a killing off of my KO but I dont want any of those guys competing with me here. We all need a reality check here. What we are seeing today is the result of this gigantic arrogance we have been carrying ourselves with for the past 70 years or so. Guess what, our time is almost up. If we don’t mend our ways and keep living beyond our means, we might not be too far from becoming another Zimbabwe.

  • 73Corwin // Nov 16, 2008 at 12:19 am

    America is not the best country in the world.
    Nowhere close.

    I am a fourth generation American seeking to have citizenship in ANOTHER country.

    Why? Because there are no opportunities for me here. Probably the same reason why my great-grandfather set sail from Europe to live in the U.S.A..

    I am glad he came from a country which gives its citizenship to the descendants of people who leave, even after a hundred years.

    I am university trained in the U.S.A. to be an electrical engineer. No jobs though.

    Not even after seven years since graduating. I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody else.

  • 74Corwin // Nov 16, 2008 at 6:51 am

    Shane, there is a reason why Americans don’t save money, but spend it all instead.

    The big government here knows about every penny that people have in savings and investments.

    And it eventually grabs everything that people save through corporate and individual taxes.

    Since you can’t save it in this country, you might as well spend it.

  • 75kamala Mandlem // Nov 16, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    I am Indian …. Working in American MNC. planning to move into Indian MNC ….

    Now Obama is on Ati -Outsourcing and planing to increase H 1B and L1 B immgrants ..

    Means he is directly accepting that foreiners (Indians , chinese , canada people, mexicans and japanese)
    are more talented and techically stuff guys than Us guys..
    Moreover he is saying they will train US people upto our worth enough to support for
    level 3 and level 4 work and till that time US emabassy will encourage H1B vissas temporarly,

    To make all these things to be done it will take lot of time ,
    so during this time why can not we develop ourselves ,
    why can not we work on our own projects and
    why can not we prove ourselves.

    we indians are not the “chep labour” to work for them for 24*7 support and given with less pay( half pay of an american pay).

    US emabassy is encoourasing to increase H1B vissas temporarly,
    Means directly they are planning to make use of our techinical worth completly.
    My dear friends US is planning to increase their economy by decreasing our economy..
    Please wake up frendz why can not we make rupee as double dollar…

  • 76BIBIN // Nov 16, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    stupid

  • 77Praveen // Nov 16, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Kamala,
    What is wrong if Obama decides to take care of his own people? Just like we would want Dr. Manmohan Singh to take care of us. And he is not accepting that Indians or Chinese are more talented. All he is trying to do is try to keep most of the jobs that get outsourced (due to cheaper costs) in the US. India is a developing economy and it will need to depend on the western world for a while before it can be a self-sustained one. Till then India needs to make sure that it gives as many incentives as possible to western corporations to do business in India. Hope that makes sense.

  • 78H1B girl // Nov 16, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    People like ABC are just plain stupid, selfish and racist.
    This is a country of immigrants. People who work hard and want to contribute to the country should be allowed to stay and do so. I am sure his grandparents or ancestors came here the same way I did. To work and be able to be part of the dream.
    I am on a H1B, in the architectural field, (not IT), and studied hard and learned skills for 10 years to be able to come here.
    Diversity is good. It brings more ideas to the country, and different point of views that certainly make companies more competitive and innovative.
    I am sorry to say, but most Americans I work with are so stuck on the American way of doing things, that they are not innovative at all…

  • 79Who Wants the H1B?// Nov 16, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Folks

    Having been on H1B - and am chosing voluntarily to return to back now. I wanted to highlight a few perspectives from the “other side of the table” to fellow Americans

    1. h1B workers are not paid less than American counterparts. This is the biggest myth you folks are being fed by Mr Lou Doub(t)s and other members of his ilk. Base minimum pay I have seen so far (having toured whole of US because I am in a sales job now) - is 65 K. My own salary is 100k. Half of my buddies are having salaries in range of 160-170k. So - go to starbucks, have a double espresso and wake up.

    2. There are all shades of workers in US as well. Having worked in multiple teams along with American workers, both in my own company as well as client locations, I can say with confidence that I have come across many profiles who, IMHO, were simply “unfit”. I have seen the IT contractors getting sacked left, right and center, and Americans are the last one to face the axe.
    IT is a field which by very nature involves dealing with intangible outputs. It requires stronger analytical powers at a more wider level than say creating a burger or a toy (where you design it once and then copy it like a zillion times). I don’t see anything wrong in business owners trying to raise the bar by picking up only the best from both sides of the world.

    3. No sane H1 B worker will like to continue here in US for long, unless he/she wants to grow at slow rate of vegetable in a beautiful garden for the rest of his/her life. My Indian salary grows at 15% per annum min, and I get higher responsibilities. My US salary barely grows at 4% per annum (max). Today my saving in Indian salary is higher than that of US (even after conversions). Only people who stay here are either duds (taxi drivers or cyber coolies) or are real geniuses like Vinod Khosla (who, btw, came here in another place and time).

    4. Any body who has any creative juices left in them will never stay in US. This is a place where everything is corporatized. Whether it is video chain(blockbuster) , or photocopy shop (fedex) or a coffee store, there are corporates everywhere - with no space for you to start something of your own!! I walk through the skyways of Minneapolis, and I have seen multiple “non-corporate” Mom and Pop shops getting opened and closed within the span of last five years. One has to be a real genius to survive in this hypercompetitive, overcorporatized, heavily networked place or get ready to be confined to the serfdom of cubicle dwellers for the rest of your life!! In India, with a higher growth rate, one can try to create something of one’s own - and hope it to take off with the high growth rate, changing patterns of consumer behaviour and rising middle class.

    So - who wants the H1B?

    So long and thank you for the fish!!!

  • 80Corwin // Nov 17, 2008 at 12:17 am

    It does not make sense for the United States to be issuing H1-B visas. If it made sense, other countries would be doing the same thing.

    To my knowledge, H1-B visas don’t grant permanent immigrant status and aren’t a track toward citizenship.

    So the only possible result is that it would attract workers who have little interest in contributing to American society.

    This is probably why India doesn’t have a program similar to H1-B. Obama would be a fool to expand H1-Bs.

    But a visa program that attracts immigrants on a citizenship path who demonstrate an interest in being American would be more wise.

  • 81Gpe // Nov 18, 2008 at 1:46 am

    Rep: Mr Kvcpk SIR,
    I do understand, our India is still developing country.
    But it requires only the Funds to establish either financial,
    manufacturing or software industries to emerge into this competitive world but neither man power nor their technical stuff ( as it has them already).
    Right now World bank is offering billions of money per annum.
    Why can not we utilize them in more effective way.
    More over NASSCOM claims, there are 1.5 millions of people in US
    who has become L1s via H1B in the recent past 10 years. My opinion: here its very clear, why can not H1Bs return and struggle for their mother land with their acquired knowledge and money .

    Here it requires keen attention towards US economy regarding L1s: It wants talented guys to be there for life long to serve them.

    Dasvidania.

  • 82XYZ To Shane Fox // Nov 18, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    HI,

    Whatever Shane said is exactly true. All the points are valid. If you American’s do not wake up fast you will be today’s Russia in future.

  • 83US Citizen // Nov 20, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    H-1b girl says “People like ABC are just plain stupid, selfish and racist.”

    Indians have been visciously and personally attacking Americna citizens for YEARS, and show outrage if they receive nothing but glowing praise from the Americans they displace.

    But I’ve learned about the political culture of India, through people I’ve worked with.

    And this I know. There would be riots in the streets of India if your government did to you, what our government is doing to us.

    And the people displacing would would get rough treatment

  • 84Jay // Nov 22, 2008 at 8:56 am

    First, H1-B workers did get the stimulus check. Also, if you are legal non-alien resident for 5 years, you are considered a citizen for tax purposes so you also get the stimulus check. We also pay for medicare and SS but will never get to see it unless we become citizens. Then again, most people my age will not get to see ss unless there is some reform.

    While it’s not always the case, H1-B workers do get paid less than their counterparts, mostly because you are at the employer’s mercy for a work permit. If we could self-sponsor, I believe there would be better and healthier competitive wages. I understand that most of the gripes stated here are towards the IT field. I’m in Finance and have lived in the US for 10.5 years. I did not come here because I wouldn’t be able to earn back at home; I too was lured by “land of opportunities”. In my situation, I’m tired of being at the mercy of my employer and being mistreated. In today’s job market, it is even harder so you just put up with the mistreatment until you can do something about it. Hopefully Canada will be kinder. I hope other H1-B workers on this board have had good experience working in the US.

  • 85Praveen // Nov 23, 2008 at 12:08 am

    H1Bs with dependents did not get anything. Not even the $600. IRS said that all receiving parties must have a valid SSN. If your dependent has an ITIN, that means you’re ineligible. I have no idea how they formulated the rule. I have lived in this country for over 10 years now.

  • 86H1B vs America Citizens // Nov 23, 2008 at 6:15 am

    Americans work for the government where a US Citizen is required and foreigners are brought in to be America’s “high technology private sector semi-slaves”. The rest of the world is being made into “slaves” for a government elite here. I feel now America may be spending more money than every but at least it will go to many more poorer people than under Bushman. I hope I am wrong here about the government elite but I feel the problem is really the lawyers. Now the Communist Chinese and the elite in Indian and the elite in the US and russia do the same - use and control the talent. Wake UP.

    America in only 1/20 of the worlds population and hence if mathematical talent is a uniform distribution we have to import talent - else we loose the magic baby. We dont have the numbers, period. This is a infection point in world mathematical talent - realize it, where the number of math talent are coming from outside the US / Europe for the first time in GREAT numbers much GREATER than the US. All the education in the world for minorities Obama will not change that FACT - we are only 1/20 of the world. This is a great thing for humanity if and only if we all keep hope and love for our neighbors alive and treat our worlds brothers correctly. I say we unite…

    We need to treat mathematical talent with respect no matter where it comes from and stop discriminating with pay. UNDERSTAND. You know and I know H1Bs are paid less and you are a fool if you think otherwise. This is not right. Now I hear the White RedNecks that work for Uncle SAM or Uncle Senator saying NO WAY that is not right. Now it has gotten better over the last 20 years a bit but you know the real deal. You that are H1Bs want that Green Card because Lord that means money!!! That is what is driving all this in your homes countries and here in the US.
    I feel you H1Bs should have the same rights as us Citizens if they are living in our country with respect to the private sector, period. The problem is they do not have the same right and hence are discriminated against. There is a greater number of H1B talent of course and they are good at math too and now the lawyers have found we bring them in and pay them less - MAKE MORE MONEY and hey we OWN the Intectual Property TOO. Realize for the good of the world to see that ALL MEN and I ALL MEN not just Americans are CREATED EQUAL and stop this using American using Indians using Chinese and realize we are all being used by the lawyers. We are being used by the non-Math talented people. Mathematical talent should not be usee for creating the killing machines. And now they use it to create the internet, chips and make money for the lawyers. All the H1Bs or foreigners and Americans should united against the Greed hunger lawyer baby killing mother killing A holes. We should stand united… I like working with foreigners much better than beaurcrats.

  • 87XXX // Nov 23, 2008 at 11:59 am

    I am an H1B worker and make way more than some of my counterpart American Citizens. Maybe you should stop blaming your failures on somebody else and realize that you may need to brush up on your concepts ans try to do better at work. Most direct hires earn the same and sometimes even more than the regular salary for an Engineer in the company. You probably need to get your facts right when you make such arguments.

  • 88H1B vs America Citizens // Nov 24, 2008 at 10:57 am

    XXX I don’t believe you one bit. Can you tell me the difference between a covariant and contravariant tensor cause you make me tense. Talk about Dump are you a GOP which is the party of stupid. How much do you make is my question and what difference does that make. I was talking discrimination and you talk oranges like a monkey. I was saying that both H1Bs and American engineers and for that matter chinese too are being used by our American lawyers or their isometric professsion policians be it communist or “free enterprise”. The solution I was saying was belief in mathematical talent be it here or wherever, India or Africa and treat if with respect. Treat it with equality! I would suggest you try to find something other than a caste system to believe in.

  • 89Chris // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Obamas response to the onslaught of Hi Visas is alarming to say the least. Regarding technical competencies of Americans, before George Bushs reign of horror, Americans were absolutely on top technically. Nowadays, because they are competing with foreigners that are sponsored by corporations that house them and typically locate them in areas where they can usually walk to work, the Indians have almost no expenses. Americans however are at a severe financial disadvantage. Because of this, it’s no longer financially advantageous for students to pursue a career in IT where they will have to kill themselves to barely make a living, and often cannot even afford to pay back their student loans. Its no longer worth it for them to stay cutting edge. This has happened to people I know who despite being brilliant and degreed, have been forced into LONG TERM unemployment. The Indians on the other hand often receive their educations for free. Sadly, Barak Obama appears to be nothing more than to use a term he coined “Bush/Cheny Light”. Republicans have decimated this country and according to his statement above, Obamma doesn’t appear to have what it take to put it right.

  • 90H1B vs America Citizens // Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Hi Chris. President-Elect Obama is a Lawyer and not an Engineer. He would not know a partial differential if it were written for him. Lets us coin a phrase President-Elect Obama used to get elected Chris ” Let us not loose Hope that we will overcome the H1B visa barrier.” I know the response as is said in the above statement: “We need to educate the minorities to fill the need for H1Bs.” Talk about bait and switch. Again Chris what else can you expect from a Lawyer. I suggest for President-Elect to read the biography of George Boole who gives us Boolean Algebra and what the Lawyers of his day did to him. Such are Lawyers cause they make the real money from H1Bs I am subspect to concluding.